"You can't really

  take both sides." 

  "I disagree." 

  The fired-up, feuding groups in front of the statue did not quiet as the two people began a conversation that would last a lifetime and revolutionize thinking.  

  Both were out of work, out of school, out of favor.  Not without dignity, not without discipline, and not without the kind of experience in the world that forces people to have insight. 

  "It's not really about winning this argument." 

  "Or getting the most people on my side!" 

  They set about inviting people into a rented room for discussion.